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BubikolRamios1
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Hygrophorus nemoreus

Beitrag von BubikolRamios1 » 08.11.2020, 06:58

At least at 1 and 2 you can see that gills don't go down the stem.
http://agrozoo.net/gallery/Hygrophorus-nemoreus


local mushrom page says they should. Image from there:
http://www.gobe.si/Slike/HygrophorusNemoreus

Comment ?

EDIT: First: http://agrozoo.net/jsp/Galery_one_image ... 71bca8fa19
perhaps Hygrophorus Poetarum - local page mentions drops ob top of stem under cap. About their text on gills I'm not sure what exactly means...something about attached to stem ...

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Re: Hygrophorus nemoreus

Beitrag von abeja » 08.11.2020, 18:10

Hi,
this is in my opinion no Hygrophorus species at all.
Normally their gills are "broadly attached to decurrent" and stipes long and tapering (sometimes broader at the top and smaller at the base).
Do you have the spore colour?

I think it could be a Hebeloma species (when young often with droplets at top of the stipe, some species with weeping gills) and often with slimy cap.
You did not see older fruitbodies with darker gills? Hebeloma are difficult (need micro details and newest literature), but - just as a guess - it could be something like Hebeloma theobrominum (trees? soil? smell?)
http://www.stridvall.se/fungi/gallery/Hebeloma/AAAA3045

Hygrophorus poetarum looks different, I had it once: not that orange, gills decurrent - but if young you see a sort of line where the gills are attached)
https://www.pilz-baden.ch/galerie/deuts ... ckling-163

For comparison my old pictures:
Hygrophorus poetarum01a_10-2013.jpg
Hygrophorus poetarum01a_10-2013.jpg (65.63 KiB) 347 mal betrachtet
Hygrophorus poetarum01b_10-2013.jpg
Hygrophorus poetarum01b_10-2013.jpg (57.18 KiB) 347 mal betrachtet
Hygrophorus poetarum01c_10-2013.jpg
Hygrophorus poetarum01c_10-2013.jpg (40.28 KiB) 347 mal betrachtet
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Re: Hygrophorus nemoreus

Beitrag von BubikolRamios1 » 09.11.2020, 08:01

The local guy declared it Hygrophorus nemoreus unless it smells like turpentine/ (+/or wood resin at some descriptions - I don't know if that is same thing as turpentine)
on second look declared that gills are too dense to be Hygrophorus at all.

Specimen on image
http://agrozoo.net/jsp/Galery_one_image ... 71bca8fa19
is entire heavily slimy, stem included.Weeping top of stem noted later on photo. Spruce forest, moss.
No older specimens, only smaller younger around.

I think this is more or less same thing. From same loc. years ago.
http://agrozoo.net/jsp/Galery_one_image ... 8818afde35

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Re: Hygrophorus nemoreus

Beitrag von abeja » 09.11.2020, 20:07

Ok... forget, what I wrote yesterday :lol:

Both groups look exactely like pictures of Hygrophorus pudorinus (with the turpentine smell) , which I don't know myself (H. nemoreus neither) - so I am just comparing pictures and descriptions.
Some pictures from well-known webpages are matching well (note the gill attachement - and it is described sometimes - when older - with cap with notched rim)
Problem 1: you did not get the smell (but maybe it was weak and your nose ...)
Problem 2: with Abies alba (some say 100 percent, some say rarely with Picea abies) - maybe some fir around?
https://www.pilz-baden.ch/galerie/deuts ... ckling-164
http://www.pilzflora-ehingen.de/pilzflo ... orinus.php
http://tintling.com/pilzbuch/arten/h/Hy ... rinus.html
https://www.pilzfotopage.de/Agaricales/ ... rinus.html
http://www.mycopedia.ch/pilze/4059.htm
https://www.projectnoah.org/spottings/1153166002

The pictures of H. nemoreus, which I found (additionally to 123 )... difficult. Some say, you could easily mix up both species. But normally I see less gills and gills more decurrent.
Most times: with deciduous trees,
but once : found in spruce forest (but smell "mealy" and I think they checked with microscop.)

http://www.pilzflora-ehingen.de/pilzflo ... moreus.php
http://tintling.com/pilzbuch/arten/h/Hy ... oreus.html
https://www.pharmanatur.com/Hygrophorus%20nemoreus.htm
For me - by pictures - Hygrophorus pudorinus more likely. :?
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Re: Hygrophorus nemoreus

Beitrag von BubikolRamios1 » 09.11.2020, 20:14

links confirming Hygrophorus pudorinus (dense gills) excluding turpentine and my nose:
http://www.hlasek.com/hygrophorus_pudorinus_cr6675.html
https://www.bachtelpilz.ch/hygrophorus- ... id205.aspx

note the diff. of gills attachment. As maybe already said, that could change with cap getting opened or not ... speculating

that diff at gills repeated here:
http://agrozoo.net/jsp/Galery_one_image ... 71bca8fa19
http://agrozoo.net/jsp/Galery_one_image ... 8818afde35

Edit: sure spruce/fir mixed observed.

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